California smog laws.....

[mrvette]

My '72 vette is a hotrod from word go.......brakes, steering, suspension, trans change to auto with o/d instead of stick shift, engine change totally, aluminum heads, roller cam/rockers , radiator, trans cooler, etc....

SO when my son in Ca. gets the car one day, what are the laws on his driving it there......he in Grass Valley, east of SFran.....

[DDSLT5]

He can keep it in the living room to admire it. Driving it? Nooooooooo.

[LATB]

He won’t be able to drive it there.
And they will probably condemn the car and sell it at auction to pay for illegals.
Save yourself the trouble and sell it now and give him the cash.
Or leave it to LATB.

[Anjdog2003]

1975 and older does not need to be smogged

[Swany00]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

1975 and older does not need to be smogged

just transfer it over to him and he can drive the shit out of it

[LATB]

Damn yawl. I was working on getting that sweet modified C3.

[theandies]

Originally Posted by mrvette

My '72 vette is a hotrod from word go.......brakes, steering, suspension, trans change to auto with o/d instead of stick shift, engine change totally, aluminum heads, roller cam/rockers , radiator, trans cooler, etc....

SO when my son in Ca. gets the car one day, what are the laws on his driving it there......he in Grass Valley, east of SFran.....

Tell him to move out of Commiefornia.

[Bill]

I'm reporting your car as a hate crime:

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[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

1975 and older does not need to be smogged

This. And there is stalled out legislation to bring the cut off date to 1982 instead of 1975. It used to be when the car got to be 20 years old, it was out of the program. But our state needs the money.

It's nuts, because such a small percentage of the cars on the road are 1976-1990. And earlier ones, even less.

I held a CA smog inspector license from 1981--2021.

The 'system' we have is messy and inefficient.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by mrvette

My '72 vette is a hotrod from word go.......brakes, steering, suspension, trans change to auto with o/d instead of stick shift, engine change totally, aluminum heads, roller cam/rockers , radiator, trans cooler, etc....

SO when my son in Ca. gets the car one day, what are the laws on his driving it there......he in Grass Valley, east of SFran.....

By then, all ICE cars, new or used, will be outlawed. Or at the very least, unusable as CA outlawed the sale or possession of fossil fuels in 2030

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

By then, all ICE cars, new or used, will be outlawed. Or at the very least, unusable as CA outlawed the sale or possession of fossil fuels in 2030

I can't wait to see how CA will operate when it closes all of its borders to ICE cars and trucks in 5 1/2 years. No trucked in supplies. No resources. No food, medicine, goods, etc. That ought to work out well.

[Swany00]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I can't wait to see how CA will operate when it closes all of its borders to ICE cars and trucks in 5 1/2 years. No trucked in supplies. No resources. No food, medicine, goods, etc. That ought to work out well.

we'll take this mother ****in' state back!!!

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Swany00

we'll take this mother ****in' state back!!!

God Bless Multiple Carburetors and the Second Amendment!!

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

It's nuts, because such a small percentage of the cars on the road are 1976-1990. And earlier ones, even less.

That's because they're such a POS and an embarrassment to the automaker's that built them. They don't want to be reminded of what a failure the big 3 were back then knowing the POS's can't pass smog.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

That's because they're such a POS and an embarrassment to the automaker's that built them. They don't want to be reminded of what a failure the big 3 were back then knowing the POS's can't pass smog.

This is actually true. From 1971 through about 1982, the US car makers were basically applying bandaids to old technology engineering, trying to get it to burn cleaner than originally designed. All with patched on 'fixes' like low compression, retarded ignition timing, exhaust gas recirculation, air pumps, electronic carburetors, etc. By 1983, the cars were getting better in design, by 1988 fuel injection was an industry norm, and fuel trims and timing curves and computer controls and sensors were much more advanced. Even ICE cars and trucks today with hundreds of horsepower run so clean you couldn't kill yourself locked in a garage with one running. The number of 'test only' '76-'95 cars and trucks on our roads here is so small that testing is a waste of everybody's time and money.

[Chemtrails99]

The cut off date for smogging is at least 1977. I went through hell keeping my CJ -5 on the road there. Got to know the ref at the ref station that handles problem issues, and he showed me the numbers required were actually cleaner than when the Jeep was brand new....still couldn't get it exempted. Then again, I watched him fight with Sacto for a full day trying to explain why he couldn't smog a Del Sol that had been converted to electric. Screw California.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

The cut off date for smogging is at least 1977. I went through hell keeping my CJ -5 on the road there. Got to know the ref at the ref station that handles problem issues, and he showed me the numbers required were actually cleaner than when the Jeep was brand new....still couldn't get it exempted. Then again, I watched him fight with Sacto for a full day trying to explain why he couldn't smog a Del Sol that had been converted to electric. Screw California.

He did you a favor not smogging a Del Sol. Probably didn't want guys with muscle cars pulling you over taking your date and smacking you around. He did you a favor.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

The cut off date for smogging is at least 1977. I went through hell keeping my CJ -5 on the road there. Got to know the ref at the ref station that handles problem issues, and he showed me the numbers required were actually cleaner than when the Jeep was brand new....still couldn't get it exempted. Then again, I watched him fight with Sacto for a full day trying to explain why he couldn't smog a Del Sol that had been converted to electric. Screw California.

'76 and up. The rest of your story is absolutely accurate. We had cars in our fleet dating from the late '80's to mid '90's that had their 'cut points' changed in the mid 2000's.....Their designed operational limits of 150 ppm HC and 1 % CO had been reduced to 50 ppm and .5% CO. Impossible.
Like having a 20 year old athlete who runs a ten second 100 yard dash be required to run it in 8 seconds at age 40.
Beyond stupidity. And the reason is: un-elected bureaucrats who have the power to make these policies laws with no voting and no oversight. The California Air Rescources Board is downright criminal in this manner.