So, I got the free Full Self driving trial this morning

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

My phone is in the center console, with the lid closed, when I’m driving. It’s in a leather case with a flap over the front - including the camera - unless I’m using it. So yes, I’m quite sure it’s not watching me. I’m not tethered to electronic gadgets. I don’t need to have the latest cool phone. I don’t need to talk to a “smart” device to change TV channels or set the thermostat. Neither of our cars has a camera inside watching us.

Your phone is still listening to you and your location is being tracked, even if GPS is off.. They know where you are based on the tower you are using. Unless you don't use any cell phone, you are being tracked. Any smartphone has a microphone and will use what you say.. I posted about this many years ago on the CF, long before it became common knowledge that your cell phone listens to you even if your screen is off. About 15 - 20 years ago, I realized that I was getting ads for stuff that I talked about with someone. I never did searches on google or anything else. All I did was talking with someone about a specific thing and next day, my facebook feed had ads for what I talked about. At that time, it was just a consipracy theory but it turns out, it's all true. You are being listened to via your smartphone. Only way to avoid it is to go back to a regular cell phone, not smartphone. Even with the non smartphone, they can still track you based on the towers you are using.

[Big bob]

Originally Posted by LATB

Where am I paying a monthly bill and being tracked?

You have a cell phone?

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

LOL. Never been on FB, Twitter, TikTok, etc. This and an occasional post on CF are the extent of my social media. Weird nowadays I know.

Here’s my phone in its case. See a camera? I don’t.
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I would be a lot more concerned about the phone listening and tracking your movement rather than your phone seeing things.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Your phone is still listening to you and your location is being tracked, even if GPS is off.. They know where you are based on the tower you are using. Unless you don't use any cell phone, you are being tracked. Any smartphone has a microphone and will use what you say.. I posted about this many years ago on the CF, long before it became common knowledge that your cell phone listens to you even if your screen is off. About 15 - 20 years ago, I realized that I was getting ads for stuff that I talked about with someone. I never did searches on google or anything else. All I did was talking with someone about a specific thing and next day, my facebook feed had ads for what I talked about. At that time, it was just a consipracy theory but it turns out, it's all true. You are being listened to via your smartphone. Only way to avoid it is to go back to a regular cell phone, not smartphone. Even with the non smartphone, they can still track you based on the towers you are using.

What in the actual **** does all that have to do with this:

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

So, your smartphone camera is not watching you?? Are you sure?

My smartphone camera is not watching me. I’m sure.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

So then your original argument that no one reads the closing documents is invalid and false.

AT THE CLOSING, nobody or virtually nobody reads the entire documents like all the title stuff etc. Most TRUST their title agent that what you are signing is the same as what you reviewed at home prior to the closing. You are NOT signing the copy that was sent to you. You are signing the copy that is presented to you at the closing. While unlikely, it could be different.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by jw38

NHTSA found that Tesla’s driver-assist features are insufficient at keeping drivers engaged in the task of driving, which can often have fatal results."[/i]...what the investigation found after examining hundreds of similar crashes was a pattern of driver inattention, combined with the shortcomings of Tesla’s technology, resulting in hundreds of injuries and dozens of deaths.[/i]

This is the very predictable result I posted about probably eight years ago now. You cannot have a system that requires no attention 99.9% of the time but requires immediate intervention .1% of the time. Such a system is inherently dangerous because it ignores the realities of human nature.

Remember when we were told the upcomming Tesla model 3 would not even have a steering wheel? Self driving cars have proven to be a monumental failure. The investment dollars wasted on this have to be staggering at this point. "Luddites" 1, techie dorks 0.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

What in the actual **** does all that have to do with this:



My smartphone camera is not watching me. I’m sure.

My point is that if you OWN a smartphone, you are tracked and listened to. FACT

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

My point is that if you OWN a smartphone, you are tracked and listened to. FACT

Your point WAS that the camera is watching me. It’s not, so you’ve changed your point.

I’m not a criminal. Tracking me would be incredibly boring.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

AT THE CLOSING, nobody or virtually nobody reads the entire documents like all the title stuff etc. Most TRUST their title agent that what you are signing is the same as what you reviewed at home prior to the closing. You are NOT signing the copy that was sent to you. You are signing the copy that is presented to you at the closing. While unlikely, it could be different.

It is NEVER different. And most are signing what is sent to them in a remote closing or signing electronically. Both have been the norm for years, it began years before Covid.

Additionally, one of the documents that you typically sign as part of a closing is an “error and omissions” document. And that give the parties involved the opportunity to make typo or technical mistakes correct.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Your point WAS that the camera is watching me. It’s not, so you’ve changed your point.

I’m not a criminal. Tracking me would be incredibly boring.

I'm mostly worried about my cell phone listening to me. You don't know whom this information is shared with. Just try talking about robbing a bank in front of the phone, or anything else that may not be 100% legal. If I would talk about something like that (which I don't as I don't do anything illegal), I certainly would not have that conversation in front of any smartphone or smart speaker etc..

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

It is NEVER different. And most are signing what is sent to them in a remote closing or signing electronically. Both have been the norm for years, it began years before Covid.

Additionally, one of the documents that you typically sign as part of a closing is an “error and omissions” document. And that give the parties involved the opportunity to make typo or technical mistakes correct.

I TRUST them that it's never different, that's why I just look at the HUD and I'm all good at a closing.

[Big bob]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm mostly worried about my cell phone listening to me. You don't know whom this information is shared with. Just try talking about robbing a bank in front of the phone, or anything else that may not be 100% legal. If I would talk about something like that (which I don't as I don't do anything illegal), I certainly would not have that conversation in front of any smartphone or smart speaker etc..

Trying to argue with the vice president of scam is like arguing with the engineer of soup cans.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Didn't know that I have to state the obvious.. If your lane of travel is not impacted, it obviously won't slow down.

There is absolutely nothing obvious about any of the stupid shit you say.

This is your original comment, completely unaltered:

As I said, the system recognizes cones, barriers etc. and will slow down for them even if there is no speed limit sign.

Let's say that again. It recognizes cones, barriers, etc.... and will slow down.

How in the hell does that even remotely imply that the cones or barriers are directly in your lane of travel? If that actually was the case, and there actually are barriers (or anything else) in your lane, I would sure as hell hope that some arbitrary "slowing down" is not the action that it takes.

Your statement was very simple. It will slow down regardless of there being an actual posted speed reduction or not.

Will. Slow. Down.

Again, those are your exact words. There is nothing twisted. There is nothing taken out of context. You have since changed your answer to "will safely change lanes", which is not even remotely the same thing.

An absolutely massive number of construction zones have speed limits that change based on time of day or whether workers are present. An overwhelming majority of them, especially on highways have a reduced speed limit "when flashing" sign. The problem is that your shitbox doesn't know any better and will slow down to some arbitrary speed regardless of what it posted... kind of like it tried to blast through a f**king school zone at 3x the speed limit.

Yea, no biggie.

I'm sure they'll have it sorted out by "next year" just like they have for the last decade that Elon has been making bullshit promises that he can't keep.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

... as I don't do anything illegal

You mean other than that whole street racing thing that you brag about.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Your phone is still listening to you and your location is being tracked, even if GPS is off.. They know where you are based on the tower you are using. Unless you don't use any cell phone, you are being tracked. Any smartphone has a microphone and will use what you say.. I posted about this many years ago on the CF, long before it became common knowledge that your cell phone listens to you even if your screen is off. About 15 - 20 years ago, I realized that I was getting ads for stuff that I talked about with someone. I never did searches on google or anything else. All I did was talking with someone about a specific thing and next day, my facebook feed had ads for what I talked about. At that time, it was just a consipracy theory but it turns out, it's all true. You are being listened to via your smartphone. Only way to avoid it is to go back to a regular cell phone, not smartphone. Even with the non smartphone, they can still track you based on the towers you are using.

I believe this to be 100% correct. There have been many time when having a conversation with someone, that an ad popped up on my phone the next time that I picked it up. Ray Bradbury predicted this in 1953.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

You mean other than that whole street racing thing that you brag about.

I don't "TALK" about that in front of my phone.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

I believe this to be 100% correct. There have been many time when having a conversation with someone, that an ad popped up on my phone the next time that I picked it up. Ray Bradbury predicted this in 1953.

This has actually be confirmed. According to them, this is only used for marketing.. However, I'm pretty sure that if you say things like wanting to assassinate someone, it will trigger some kind of notification to law enforcement.. Maybe if you talk about some income that you didn't claim on your taxes, coincidentally, you'll be audited by the IRS next year etc. etc.
I won't take any chances.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

This has actually be confirmed. According to them, this is only used for marketing.. However, I'm pretty sure that if you say things like wanting to assassinate someone, it will trigger some kind of notification to law enforcement.. Maybe if you talk about some income that you didn't claim on your taxes, coincidentally, you'll be audited by the IRS next year etc. etc.
I won't take any chances.

I guess that I should stop telling clients that I can take cash discounts over the phone.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Self driving is the future. The more data the system gathers, the better it will operate. You can't gather data by not using it in real world conditions. Having people gather data is the way to go. More data = better product.
I have been using FSD before when I had a loaner Model Y with FSD and it was nowhere close to the reliability that it is right now. NO, FSD is NOT ready to be fully autonomous but it is getting better at a very very good rate.. Last time I tried FSD was a year or so ago.. Since then, it has improved a lot. Drove 25 miles to the office today and it performed absolutely flawless with no close calls. Also 70 miles yesterday to a Restaurant in Celebration/FL and back. ZERO issues.. NO, It's not perfect yet but it is getting progressively better.

I will NEVER own a self-driving vehicle and I dought they will be "the future" for at least the next 30 years. This is what the know-it-alls said about EVs 5 years ago, and now that people realize how truly impractical they are for the majority of vehicle owners, along with the loss of taxpayer funded subsidies, manufacturers are backing off on their commitments to EVs, and hybrids are becoming more and more popular. Also, people have become aware of the absolute lie that EVs are better for the environment than ICE vehicles, because they're not. Tesla would not have survived without all of the taxpayer subsidies they have received and continue to receive. With the exception of the incredibly poorly conceived POS Cybertruck, Tesla hasn't produced a new vehicle for years. The Tesla slurpers believe all of Musk's lies. You can tell yourself that real world testing is necessary, but it sure as **** isn't necessary at my fami,y's expense or at the expense of others trying to live their lives.

Once again, you refuse to address the FACT that Tesla and other manufacturer's self-driving vehicles have KILLED people.

Originally Posted by LATB

Not my future.

Amen brother!

Originally Posted by ptindall

This is the very predictable result I posted about probably eight years ago now. You cannot have a system that requires no attention 99.9% of the time but requires immediate intervention .1% of the time. Such a system is inherently dangerous because it ignores the realities of human nature.

Remember when we were told the upcomming Tesla model 3 would not even have a steering wheel? Self driving cars have proven to be a monumental failure. The investment dollars wasted on this have to be staggering at this point. "Luddites" 1, techie dorks 0.

100% correct!

Originally Posted by Big bob

So you never used cruise control?

Absolutely, but it's 100% controlled by ME

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I don't "TALK" about that in front of my phone.

Ahhhhh. Well as long as you don't talk about it...

I stand corrected on one of my previous statements. I do indeed like to watch 1 thing on youtube and that is videos of street racing asshats getting splattered across the pavement.