So, my application at work is going away

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Engineers have lots of butthurt about job titles, does that come with the education or the license?

It comes with the person, not the education or the license.

I could see if someone was using the term "PE" or "Professional Engineer" which would be a claim to very specific qualifications but outside of that? "software engineer", "manufacturing engineer", "quality engineer", any of the other countless "engineers" that exist in businesses around the world... Absolutely not. I can't even begin to imagine being butthurt by what someone else uses as a job title. Anybody who can't tell the difference between a claim to be a PE and a job title that contains the word "engineer" is a f**king moron.

People butthurt about things like that are the people that have the asinine need to try to make themselves feel important.

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

The title of "Engineer" is not meaningless, according to Florida statute:

Software Engineer, Senior Computer Specialist, Network Engineer, etc and the like are all terms tossed around for decades now applied indiscriminately and often inappropriately. It IS a way to justify the salaries it takes to get good people on board (I've hired dozens in all categories).

All of which is why I went for a Computer Scientist degree WAY back (1985) when it was a new category with rigorous degree standards and it paid off.

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

His title, like many others with the word Engineer in them, doesn't "indicate that such person holds an active license as an engineer in this state."

Why do licensed engineers/PEs think they're the only ones who can use that word for what they do? If someone has an engineering degree but isn't licensed, can they use it or does that offend you as well? When you retire and let your license lapse, do you have to quit using the word because you no longer have an active engineering license?

Engineers have lots of butthurt about job titles, does that come with the education or the license?

Yaddy needs to get over himself.

471.003 (2) The following persons are not required to be licensed under the provisions of this chapter as a licensed engineer:

(c) Regular full-time employees of a corporation not engaged in the practice of engineering as such, whose practice of engineering for such corporation is limited to the design or fabrication of manufactured products and servicing of such products.

This is in addition to a long list of engineers who are not required to be licensed, including aerospace engineers, HVAC engineers, and state workers (probably because they are too dumb to pass the test).

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

Software Engineer, Senior Computer Specialist, Network Engineer, etc and the like are all terms tossed around for decades now applied indiscriminately and often inappropriately. It IS a way to justify the salaries it takes to get good people on board (I've hired dozens in all categories).

All of which is why I went for a Computer Scientist degree WAY back (1985) when it was a new category with rigorous degree standards and it paid off.

I have my Bachelors in both Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.

And still, nobody likes me!

[BayouCountry]

I migrated old technology applications over to MSSQL a couple years before retiring to help the next generation take over my position. Timing was perfect with the advancement of MSSQL into a more powerful and versatile technology.

Exhaust all possibilities before touching the 401K and taking a huge tax hit.

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

In my time (degreed Computer Scientist) I knew prob 8-10 programming languages and also had a hardware background. Being an "expert" on specific applications is not a career-extending scheme. I can't tell you how many I've migrated, "browned-out", replaced with COTS or eliminated or did complete re-writes in a modern language/architecture (mostly during Y2K). I was a boss and had to let go a few folks that didn't keep their skills up - had a few that only wanted to keep programming in Clipper and dBase-III (ugh!)

Making yourself "layoff-proof" in a technology profession just comes with the turf.

If there is any way you can find another gig, DO IT NOW, before the applications are migrated as the smart people bail and find other work early, as soon as the writing is on the wall. Alternatively, use your 2 year window at THIS gig to get current, marketable skills via certifications, courses, etc..

A word to the wise, middle aged programmers/s-w engineers are not "hot commodities"; when some kid fresh out of school with the latest knowledge will work for 1/2 to 1/3 of your probable salary.

I would do that and not "cash in" my 401K at your young age. You have a long road ahead of you until retirement age. You'll miss tax-deferred growth over the next 5 years or whatever. I'm 73 and still haven't touched my 401K, but I'll have to by next April by law or pay a massive penalty...

HOWEVER, I am not a career or financial advisor, do not play one on TV and did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express !

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by DDSLT5

Cliffs?

More time for warm meals soon.

[Big bob]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It comes with the person, not the education or the license.

I could see if someone was using the term "PE" or "Professional Engineer" which would be a claim to very specific qualifications but outside of that? "software engineer", "manufacturing engineer", "quality engineer", any of the other countless "engineers" that exist in businesses around the world... Absolutely not. I can't even begin to imagine being butthurt by what someone else uses as a job title. Anybody who can't tell the difference between a claim to be a PE and a job title that contains the word "engineer" is a f**king moron.

People butthurt about things like that are the people that have the asinine need to try to make themselves feel important.

You simply don't understand what kind of education and years of experience is involved to engineer this modern marvel of hot tub suspension.

[Kevin68]

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471.031 Prohibitions; penalties.—
(1) A person may not:
(a) Practice engineering unless the person is licensed or exempt from licensure under this chapter.
(b)1. Except as provided in subparagraph 2. or subparagraph 3., use the name or title “professional engineer” or any other title, designation, words, letters, abbreviations, or device tending to indicate that such person holds an active license as an engineer when the person is not licensed under this chapter, including, but not limited to, the following titles: “agricultural engineer,” “air-conditioning engineer,” “architectural engineer,” “building engineer,” “chemical engineer,” “civil engineer,” “control systems engineer,” “electrical engineer,” “environmental engineer,” “fire protection engineer,” “industrial engineer,” “manufacturing engineer,” “mechanical engineer,” “metallurgical engineer,” “mining engineer,” “minerals engineer,” “marine engineer,” “nuclear engineer,” “petroleum engineer,” “plumbing engineer,” “structural engineer,” “transportation engineer,” "software engineer," “computer hardware engineer,” or “systems engineer.”

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

Yeah, that was about as open as a question could be made!-

States make their own statues defining what an engineer is. In my state, you have to be licensed to call yourself an engineer, with few exceptions. I know that Commifornia has the terms that you used. I've had my NY license on hold for 20 years so am not informed as to their rules.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

His title, like many others with the word Engineer in them, doesn't "indicate that such person holds an active license as an engineer in this state."

Why do licensed engineers/PEs think they're the only ones who can use that word for what they do? If someone has an engineering degree but isn't licensed, can they use it or does that offend you as well? When you retire and let your license lapse, do you have to quit using the word because you no longer have an active engineering license?

Engineers have lots of butthurt about job titles, does that come with the education or the license?

No butthurt here. I don't plan on letting my license lapse when I eventually fully retire.

[Big bob]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

States make their own statues defining what an engineer is. In my state, you have to be licensed to call yourself an engineer, with few exceptions. I know that Commifornia has the terms that you used. I've had my NY license on hold for 20 years so am not informed as to their rules.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

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Holy shit.

I'd think that someone with such a high level of expertise would have been detail oriented enough to read beyond the first line.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

At 50-something you will probably want to keep working. Maybe not as an employee but you are a doer and not having a project will drive you crazy. Might as well make those projects profitable.

Take that severance money and buy a couple more flip houses. Don’t spend your cash paying off mortgages at this point. Use the cash to grow your savings.

If my employment ends at the end of the year, the money will go towards paying off my debt.. If they lay me off in 2 - 3 years, I will already be debt free and the money will go into my account. I may work as consultant for a couple more years for short term contracts and buy something nice with the extra money at that point. I doubt that I'll go back into flipping homes as the profit margin is no longer what it was from 2008 to 2018. It was a good run but the times of large profits in Real Estate are gone. Every deal comes with a risk and profit margin needs to be high enough so that I can still make a profit, even if the home has unforeseen issues.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It comes with the person, not the education or the license.

I could see if someone was using the term "PE" or "Professional Engineer" which would be a claim to very specific qualifications but outside of that? "software engineer", "manufacturing engineer", "quality engineer", any of the other countless "engineers" that exist in businesses around the world... Absolutely not. I can't even begin to imagine being butthurt by what someone else uses as a job title. Anybody who can't tell the difference between a claim to be a PE and a job title that contains the word "engineer" is a f**king moron.

People butthurt about things like that are the people that have the asinine need to try to make themselves feel important.

It seems that you are the one who's butt hurt.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

States make their own statues defining what an engineer is. In my state, you have to be licensed to call yourself an engineer, with few exceptions. I know that Commifornia has the terms that you used. I've had my NY license on hold for 20 years so am not informed as to their rules.

*statutes

And you're dead wrong about your state. Read the law here and get back to us. We'll wait.

Hint: That law makes a clear distinction between an engineer and a PE or licensed engineer. Here's the legal definition of an engineer in your state:

Engineer. – A person who, by reason of special knowledge and use of the mathematical, physical and engineering sciences and the principles and methods of engineering analysis and design, acquired by engineering education and engineering experience, is qualified to practice engineering.

There's no mention of licensure in that definition.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

In my state, you have to be licensed to call yourself an engineer, with few exceptions.

Few?

(b)1. Except as provided in subparagraph 2. or subparagraph 3., use the name or title “professional engineer” or any other title, designation, words, letters, abbreviations, or device tending to indicate that such person holds an active license as an engineer when the person is not licensed under this chapter, including, but not limited to, the following titles: “agricultural engineer,” “air-conditioning engineer,” “architectural engineer,” “building engineer,” “chemical engineer,” “civil engineer,” “control systems engineer,” “electrical engineer,” “environmental engineer,” “fire protection engineer,” “industrial engineer,” “manufacturing engineer,” “mechanical engineer,” “metallurgical engineer,” “mining engineer,” “minerals engineer,” “marine engineer,” “nuclear engineer,” “petroleum engineer,” “plumbing engineer,” “structural engineer,” “transportation engineer,” "software engineer," “computer hardware engineer,” or “systems engineer.”

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Unsuspicious

If you get laid off now and need the 401k money, you could probably just take a 401k loan to float for 2 years instead of paying the tax machine

That's an option in case I'm really laid off before 2026. I believe that even if I get laid off in January of 2026, I'll be able to avoid the tax penalty. I believe that you have to turn 55 that year to avoid the penalty. So, I hope that they will keep me for 2 more years as it will save me 10% when cashing out. Obviously, I would NOT take severance and 401k out in the same year. I would receive severance in the year that I'm laid off and take out the 401k in the following year to avoid it to be taxed in the higher bracket.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Kevin68

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Ed Norton, Sanitation Engineer.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

It seems that you are the one who's butt hurt.

What exactly about that would possibly lead to the conclusion that I am butt hurt about something?

I don't care at all what someone says their job title is.

As much shit as I give GSC3, I would never have even remotely considered going down the path of "YOU'RE NOT A REAL ENGINEEEERRRR!!!!!"

[TheHammer]

Whatever happens, prepare to pay for some pricey health insurance, or are you just going to wing it and self insure like your homes?